Jillian and Veronica celebrated their podcast journey, shared insights on networking and collaboration, discussed Jillian's One Handshake community launch and Veronica's upcoming BASE conference, and planned future projects amidst their 40th episode reflections.
In today's episode, Jillian and Veronica take a retrospective look at their podcasting journey, which began with a simple coffee chat nearly two years ago. With 40 episodes under their belt, they're now pausing to focus on new ventures.
Jillian is busy building and testing the One Handshake Network—a dynamic and inclusive community where individuals from diverse backgrounds converge to forge meaningful connections, cultivate professional growth, and create opportunities for and with each other.
Meanwhile, Veronica is gearing up to launch her Marketing Accelerator Program tailored for solopreneurs and small business owners, alongside organizing the BASE conference in Amsterdam—an event set to unite, collaborate, and spur growth within the community.
This episode also offers insights into their approach to learning through experimentation, which not only benefits their clients but also shapes their own growth as business leaders. Join them as they celebrate their achievements, unveil future plans, and maintain a positive, upbeat outlook amidst life's challenges.
Mentioned in This Episode:
https://jillianvorce.com/one-handshake
https://baseconference.amsterdam
https://spinideas.nl/online-networking-with-a-spin
https://spinideas.nl/marketing-accelerator-program
About Veronica Guguian:
About Jillian Vorce:
Credits
Jillian Vorce: Hello. Welcome to episode 40. We made it to 40.
Veronica Guguian: For the listeners, maybe you don't know, but we did make it a point to have a round number.
Jillian Vorce: Yep. Had to. It's like, you can't be like, oh, 39 episodes. Like, nah, it's like 40. It's nice and clean and organized and, like, 40 feels good. Legit. Yeah, it feels good. But it's also been over a year of publishing episodes as well, which is pretty great. So I'm happy about that. So, yeah. So today. Yeah, today we're going to chat and do a recap of, yeah, one through 40, basically. Or I guess technically, one through 39. Right. So our journey to this point, just talk a little bit about. Yeah. What we've learned, what the experience has been, and then what's happening next.
Veronica Guguian: So I know episode 39 was a freestyle. I feel freestyling. Maybe this is a little bit similar, but we do have a structure compared to the other one.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah.
Veronica Guguian: Yeah. So, first of all, let me start by saying thank you for joining me in this crazy adventure. The starting coffee is coffee and coconut, by the way. Coffee and coconut. You should actually sponsor us because all the time.
Jillian Vorce: That's right. That's right. Yes. Wow.
Veronica Guguian: It was a journey, wasn't it? We learned a lot, I have to say. This is, I was invited, and I joined a lot of podcasts, but it's such a big difference between just showing up and answering questions, whereas you are on the other side and you need to, like, I do remember all the things it's about. Do we have a logo? Do we have a title? How do we structure? How long, with whom? Do we have guests? We don't. Ta da. What do we do afterwards? Who's doing what? And it's a lot of work.
Jillian Vorce: It is a lot of work. So going back to coffee and coconuts for a second, it just occurred to me, there's one thing that I never asked you, and it feels like, yeah, to say this is a little bit of a delayed reaction is like an understatement. But in any case, what better time to ask the most simple question that I probably should have asked, like, straight away, but I never did until now. So I'm curious, why, like, what your thought was originally when you asked me to do this? Like, what? Yeah, why, what was your thinking? Like, we met one time, and you're like, let's do a podcast. And so it's like, oh, I'm curious what you thought.
Veronica Guguian: Well, I'm trying to think what was in my head, but I tend to be, we're discussing, I think, the last episode about different cultures. So I'm. I tend to be spontaneous, and if I have an idea, to just run it, and that's not necessarily the best thing in this case, was a good thing, but I do tend to have an idea and just run it. This is actually what I did with online networking, with the spin and different other things. Not all of them, of course, turned out to be successful, of course, but it's a little bit part of my personality, and I do need to have a good connection with the person. And by that, yes, we can talk. We share values. We have so many things in common. So how about we do this?
Jillian Vorce: Yeah, yeah. I do remember that conversation. It was like, wow, we just, like, aligned on so many things. It was like, oh, really interesting. And we just, we, like, went from, like, the surface level, hi, how are you? To, like, right away and talk to, like, real business? What's going on? What are the challenges? What are the opportunities? So I agree. I think there was, I also had that experience of it, and that doesn't.
Veronica Guguian: Happens to a lot of people. And actually, I do tend to come up with ideas and present them, but that doesn't mean, everyone is jumping or they are. We talked about strategic partnerships and how to collaborate. So, yeah, a lot of discussions like that. But maybe this is. Maybe I just do it without realizing. And now I have my aha. Moments because of your question, you know? But you do go, you do meet someone, and you have, let's use a fancy word, synergies. Let's say we do so many things, and you come, let's do something together. Let's start with the small idea, and you put it out there, and you maybe do some, or you just launch it. But what is important for me is to see how the other person is reacting as well.
Veronica Guguian: Because if I see effort and interest from the other person, that shows me, yes, there's something there. Let's explore and see how we can collaborate. But if they say, yes, let's do that. But then is cricket, then, okay, maybe that's not meant to be. So, in one way, I think it's a very unofficial way of qualifying connection as well. Is that a good partner? Is that a good connection? Can we actually do something and then amazing things can.
Jillian Vorce: Right.
Veronica Guguian: Can be created, like our podcast or. Yeah, I do know that person, and it's a fantastic person, but it's not great for me doing business with that person. But that doesn't mean I can't introduce myself. Yeah, that's the connection forward.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah.
Veronica Guguian: How about you?
Jillian Vorce: Yeah, I think. I mean, for me, initially, it was great that you asked, because, of course. So it had been on my mind for many years. As I told you, I did have a podcast, like, almost 100 years ago, but then I, you know, it's not. I mean, you can find it if you scour, but it's just, like, there. But. So I have known that I wanted to, you know, start a podcast, and then it was also just excellent timing because I was just at the very beginning of starting to venture out of the, like, post Covid cave. Right. So. Because we met. It was, like, October 2022, I think it was.
Veronica Guguian: I think so.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah, yeah. And so I had. Yeah, it was like that. You were, I think, actually the first person I met. First or second person that I met here to have any type of business conversation or anything. So, thank you. Yeah, it was, like, very. I was just beginning to kind of venture out because the first part was like, we're still in Covid, I had a baby and, like, figure out where to live and how to live here. And so that was, like, very kind of dominated everything, and I still had my. My business is from the US so there are a lot of different things that are going on. So just as I started to step out and explore, you know, my new home country and whatnot, that's when we connected and had coffee. So for me, the goal was like, oh, this is great.
Jillian Vorce: It'll allow me to build a relationship, learn business here. Also the multicultural piece. Yeah. And to get me engaged in doing things here in present day life and starting to create again. And also, I think it's no surprise, and it's been very clear I'm super direct and open about it. This has been a giant transition period for me in my life as well. You know, the obvious things that now I'm a mom, now I live in a new country, but also business wise and how I view my career and what my aspirations are and what my priorities are and my values. And so many things have changed.
Jillian Vorce: So being able to continue to show up and have this as a steady thing that we have done has helped to keep me grounded, but also been a phenomenal opportunity for me to talk through these things as we have gone, to really try to figure out what this evolution is looking like. So it's been a great experience for me in that regard.
Veronica Guguian: We did, we did talk about business, but also we did use this podcast for us to actually analyze. I think that would be the best one to do. What do we want to do? How do you want to structure? So we did use each other as a sounding board quite a lot in podcasts, so.
Jillian Vorce: Right, right. Yeah. Just talking about experiences. What was, which is what our original idea was like, just continue to share ideas, to learn from each other, to ask questions, to compare notes.
Veronica Guguian: And the funny thing, we're like, no one. We're gonna listen.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah, maybe. Yeah.
Veronica Guguian: But even now, actually, I'm scared. When I look at the numbers, I'm very happy. And I know, like, oh, did we actually share all of that?
Jillian Vorce: I know, I know. Yeah, that definitely happens. It kind of oscillates. There's some time you think, oh, nobody's going to listen, it's just us. And there are other times when you're like, are people listening to this? What did I say? Yeah, but really, it's like, I try to always bring it back to, this is just a conversation for us. And so I try to utilize it in that way. So it's like, truly is continuing to get to know you and to compare notes and all of those things while also really trying to, not trying to be authentic. I don't think we should just be authentic and just be ourselves. Just be. Yeah. And just be very upfront and transparent about where I'm at and what I think and whatnot. And so I think it's true. Yeah. Just a great experience.
Jillian Vorce: I don't mean to be. To steal your thunder and then be redundant. It's like.
Veronica Guguian: Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. So what do we want to tell our listeners? So actually, episode 40, we do need a small break. Yeah.
Jillian Vorce: To recharge. Yep. Yep. So we're going to be putting a pause on this and so TBD. So we may revisit recording at some point in the future, or maybe not. Maybe it'll be a little bit different. It's another mystery of life, but we're going to press the pause button to get for a bit and kind of regroup and reevaluate, et cetera.
Veronica Guguian: I'm pretty sure we'll at least know you're launching. Maybe there are different things here and we want to share with our listeners, so maybe we should start with what we are preparing and then to share how we're gonna. What will happen with the podcast, because we're not gonna disappear. But we do need a break. So definitely what you can expect is for us to take a break now and. But what happens while we are taking a break? Do you want to share?
Jillian Vorce: Sure. I mean, for me, what's next is pretty significant, actually. It's been a long time coming and I think that in many ways this podcast also contributed to, yeah. Me arriving at this moment where it's actually time to take a step forward. So I am. So by the time this podcast comes out, it will already be launched. So right now, I'm still working on it, but I am launching a membership network with a podcast attached to it. And it's called a Handshake. And the general premise is something that I truly believe, and I've been saying for, yeah, probably 25 years or more because I've experienced it several times over. And that is one handshake can change a life or a business. We just don't know which handshake it's going to be.
Jillian Vorce: And so this is why it's called the one handshake community membership network kind of thing. And yeah, so this is what I'm working on, and it's ultimately a platform to be able to lift up and contribute to more people in a more strategic and scalable way. It's something that I've been doing separately in different pockets, kind of decentralized for 20 years, but now it's time to take a step forward and bring it together. So that's the quick gist about what it is.
Veronica Guguian: Exciting.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah.
Veronica Guguian: To the listeners, this is the first time I'm hearing about it because everything is kept secret. But I must say, I'm not surprised. I believe this fits you perfectly. Like, we kept on discussing, and I do remember when you came over one time for dinner to discuss different things. I'm really not surprised, and I think you're perfect for something like that. Makes perfect sense. And I'm so happy you found the format that fits you. And if you're just listening and don't see her, she has a smile on her face. It shows me the good thing. So I'm so looking forward to seeing the opportunity.
Jillian Vorce: I really appreciate it. It's. Yeah, so I've had some conversations with folks, and the general consensus is, no kidding, like, yeah, it's like everybody's been, like, waiting for me. Yeah. And so for me, I'm like, listen, you know, I just took the scenic route here, but I really appreciate that. And for me, it's. It's definitely scary. And there's, you know, lots of fear that I could easily hide in. But the other side of that coin is it feels very like. Like an exhale and, like, expansive at the same time because it now is just by structuring it this way, it now allows me to do what I already do, but in a much larger way. And so rather than, yeah. More structured way and really be able to compound the impact that's created.
Jillian Vorce: So rather than pick and choose is like, is this my market or is that my market? Or am I doing this? Or am I doing that? It's like, yes. And, and so now I'm bringing these pieces together, and all along, I have always felt that in, you know, building my networking, building my network, and building relationships and, you know, creating opportunities, identifying opportunities, and all of these things, it's always that it's not about me, it's about other people. And so that's been part of my resistance all of these years, is feeling like I don't want the perception to be that it's about me, because it's actually not. It's just I'm the conduit and I love more than, yeah, my most natural position. It's like, it's like people always say, you know, oh, what would you do for free or whatever.
Jillian Vorce: It's like, I know this at heartbeat. It's like I was born this way. My most favorite thing to do. Anytime, anywhere. Yeah. Just spontaneously is finding out what's, you know, who somebody is, what is it that they need, and how can I contribute to that, either through connections or resources like ideas. But then sometimes it's also allowing people to be seen or helping people to reignite their energy in these pieces here. And generally in business, there's this kind of spoken or unspoken role where it's like, either you're like business or you're personal. Are you like an executive coach or are you like a life coach or doing this? And so many things are fragmented.
Jillian Vorce: And so for me, I feel like my network is both in the relationships I have with people, including many executives and business owners and whatnot, that I have worked with for many years. And, yeah, and people like, from private equity to entertainment to politicians to all, it's all the same thing. These are, these are actual, like human beings that, yes, they have a career, they have aspirations, but they also have personal stuff. And so always trying to find a way to align those pieces. And so that's what the nature of this network will be. And there'll be, you know, a series of offerings tied to membership as well to really accelerate the rate at which I can provide value through, you know, directly or indirectly through other resources.
Veronica Guguian: So anyhow, and as you said, by the time this episode will be out.
Jillian Vorce: You'll be able to check it out.
Veronica Guguian: Exactly. We're going to. People can actually join.
Jillian Vorce: Yes.
Veronica Guguian: Very exciting.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah, so I'm looking forward to it. And it's funny, you know, I was just in Paris for a short business trip, and I was in a situation. I had no Internet for a while. Imagine that, my handy dandy notes app. And so I thought for the new podcast that will be attached to it, I thought, you know, it's just like a kind of free association. Who is it that I would like to have on my podcast? And so I quickly came up with 60 names, just people. So I'm like, wow, it's just, like, flowing. It was not hard for a second, like, right through the list.
Veronica Guguian: You know, the moment when you have that, for me, that's a clear indication that's the right path.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah, yeah, it's really. Yeah, yeah. So the right path, hopefully. And it's, you know, still, it's like the B Corp situation. I still love that. I still am a huge proponent of that, but my relationship to it will evolve. There is still a B Corp podcast that's in the mix, and that will probably jump a little bit further down the road so that this has a chance to be born first. But yeah, so all of those things, like the sustainability part, are still critical. So I have a sustainable growth program. It's incorporated into who I am, into what I do and what I believe. So that'll influence the network and how it grows, who's attracted to it, as well as the resources and the people that are a part of.
Veronica Guguian: So one doesn't exclude the other. Of course.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah, yeah. I think it's an evolution. So, yeah, we'll see what happens. So I am excited and I very much appreciate your support and encouragement around that. And it's. Yeah, you never know how things evolve. Right. It's. Yeah, it's pretty interesting. So.
Veronica Guguian: And that's the whole idea. Just don't be curious, show up and you never know what is happening. That's the beauty of life, right?
Jillian Vorce: Absolutely. Absolutely. This is what it is. So, yeah, so I don't know what else to say about it. So check the link if you're interested. Kind of get the more details about the one handshake network and podcast. Yeah. And there's more. Yeah, lots more to come. It's just the beginning. I still have. Yeah, I have some other company situations and, you know, working in a b, two b capacity still and helping to grow companies, etcetera. So that part is always also part of who I am, but, yeah, but that's ongoing now. We see the new thing. Yeah.
Veronica Guguian: Yes.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah, this is the new part. So, yeah. And then how about for you? So that's how I'll be spending the break, right as I'm going full throttle into building and launching something new in about 30 days, actually. So how about for you?
Veronica Guguian: Well, we just launched the marketing accelerator, so that is taking a lot of my time and energy.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah.
Veronica Guguian: But we have the first cohort starting now. Very exciting. And we are busy. Start preparing the base conference that will take place in October.
Jillian Vorce: Oh, wow.
Veronica Guguian: So exciting. And a lot of work and I'm thinking I need a holiday as well in between. Not sure when that will happen. So for us, as you know, we do have to do it for you. That's basically the market doing it for you. That will be the marketing services where we take over and we help you with the strategy, implementation and then we have to do it with you. That's the marketing accelerator that we just launched in July. And I'm very excited about that because it's like you said, working on it. We have an episode about this and how can I make it happen? And it's something I believe in and I believe in actually providing access to all the small businesses to the same chances. And that means they do need to have access to expertise, but also to materials.
Veronica Guguian: And this is what the program is all about. So very in line with what you're doing, but from a different angle because we are different. Of course.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah, sure.
Veronica Guguian: This is what we worked, and I worked and now it's happening and I'm very happy. And after so many years online, it's offline again. So I must admit I'm a little bit scared, but excited.
Jillian Vorce: Wow. So in October it'll be in person somewhere.
Veronica Guguian: Yes, yes.
Jillian Vorce: Do you know what city?
Veronica Guguian: Amsterdam.
Jillian Vorce: In Amsterdam.
Veronica Guguian: That's very exciting. And August will be all about that. Actually, start working on it. So I'm excited, and I'm a little bit scared as well because organizing events online has become so natural to me. I don't think twice about it. However, organizing big events like 150 people events face to face.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah, that's a lot.
Veronica Guguian: I can still do it, and it excites me, but I do have to say I have like, okay, I can do this amazing. Read the treat, and it will be fun. So these are the main plans and we'll see. We are considering launching a spin podcast as well around the community, but I'm realizing there are too many things I want to do at the same time. So I need to put that a little bit on hold. Exactly like you said with the corp fast and just leave it. Maybe we're going to launch it towards base and that will be in collaboration with base. But at this point, the accelerator is. And then the base conference are the main objectives. And the main is the main focus, actually.
Jillian Vorce: So put the link for the base conference. That's great because this episode will come out and there'll be plenty of time for people to be able to register.
Veronica Guguian: Exactly. So it seems both of us, whereas we said, we need a break, let's have a break. Time off recording. We are pretty good at filling that time with exciting things.
Jillian Vorce: Yes, yes.
Veronica Guguian: So now to all our listeners, you do understand why we need to step aside from this. But we had so much fun and.
Jillian Vorce: Yes, yes, I know.
Veronica Guguian: We were discussing sharing our favorite episodes, right? Mostly. Do you have one?
Jillian Vorce: I mean, which one?
Veronica Guguian: Because.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah, I was just looking. I mean, I really like when we, the idea that we had to do like the live collaboration. So we had, I think episode eleven was you in the hot seat and you were talking.
Veronica Guguian: Then we had you in the hot seat.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah. So I did.
Veronica Guguian: Nerve-wracking, if I'm honest.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah, but in episode eleven, which was yours, you were talking about how you were kind of relaunching your online, your ons. Yeah. And talking through that process, which was pretty cool. So I really enjoyed that. I enjoyed that episode because it was me being able to do what I do, which is ask the questions and that kind of thing. But I. Yeah. Then having the, you know, switching seats kind of thing in episode 13 and talking through the. The evolution of my company. Yeah. It's not as fun to be in the hot seat as to be.
Veronica Guguian: One asking the questions, you know, but position is indeed.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah, it was a little bit squeamish for me, but, you know, it's like you gotta sometimes show up and do the scary things. But I, like, we talked about, I think, interesting. We did one early on episode eight on AI for the non techie business owner. And I think back, even the.
Veronica Guguian: How many things change.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah, exactly. The acceleration of AI from just then till now, it's like, wow, unbelievable. So I feel like that episode is still really useful for people that are also trying to catch up. Yeah.
Veronica Guguian: Thinking about that episode and now that I joined the AI meetup and we help them organize events here and the conversations that take place there and how much I'm learning from them, I'm thinking I should delete that episode. Like, my knowledge then, compared to that. Yeah.
Jillian Vorce: But it's good. I mean, this is what it is. This is like the learning curve. The learning curve. And for everybody, I mean, this is happening. But also, look at how much you have learned in just a short amount of time. So it's also relatable for people and it's approachable and it gives people that, the feeling that, oh, I can also learn this stuff. Like, it's not rocket science. It is, but it's happening in real time. Yeah. Just jumping in. So I really liked that episode for that reason. Of course, we talked about our lessons learned. Our top three lessons learned. That was fun. Yeah, that was episode three.
Veronica Guguian: I must say, I enjoyed the latest ones the most because at the beginning, I remember we were quite stressed and I think about the delivery and how not the entire episode, because we do tend to forget we are recording and then we have our own conversation. But at the beginning we're like, who's starting? What do we do?
Jillian Vorce: Yeah.
Veronica Guguian: Or went through it became natural, kind of like, oh, we are just.
Jillian Vorce: Here we are again.
Veronica Guguian: Yeah, I'm pressing records.
Jillian Vorce: Okay, let's go. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, I know.
Veronica Guguian: But I must say, and probably this is my personality, what I enjoyed the most were the freestyling episodes because we had no idea what we were gonna talk about. And from there, we just ended up having amazing discussions.
Jillian Vorce: And, yeah, you helped me a lot. You also gave me, like, great suggestions on different tools, and then also you've helped me give me suggestions about events. Remember, we are comparing notes about events, which ones to go to, et cetera. So there have been so many tangible and intangible things that I have. Yeah. Received from this experience. And I remain hopeful that, you know, people, listeners and folks have also, you know, learned something or also learned about a new tool or just got a different way to think about things or maybe feel validated or feel like they're not alone because we also have no flipping clue what we're doing. And, you know, but.
Veronica Guguian: What I took the most is I admire you for your structure, and I learned. I also learned a lot, and you structuring everything actually helped me as well because we do have a lot of things, and you kind of created order where there was. Yeah, for me it was an idea set, and then you provided the structure it needed. So thank you.
Jillian Vorce: Of course. Yeah. That's how it works, right?
Veronica Guguian: Yeah.
Jillian Vorce: It's a blend of two ideas and approaches and all the things.
Veronica Guguian: Personality. Yes.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah, exactly. So I think that's been really an experience and an experiment and really figuring out how. How far to the right to turn or how far to the left and how to not have either of us fall overboard, you know, to keep steering forward. And I think. I also think not to take ourselves too seriously.
Veronica Guguian: Yeah.
Jillian Vorce: As well. It's like having fun at the end of the day; it's like we're. We're not, you know, we didn't set up to do this podcast to, like, hope we're going to get, you know, we're going to get clients in episode two.
Veronica Guguian: It's like, I don't think I. Honestly, for me, I never really went into this project with the idea of having clients. That wasn't the purpose, it was just an experiment.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah.
Veronica Guguian: And also one thing, how. How can you actually tell your clients to do a podcast if you never did it? And it's one thing to tell them, go and speak at the podcast because you do that, but if you tell them, have a podcast, how can you do that?
Jillian Vorce: Yeah.
Veronica Guguian: So I do believe in playing with as many things as possible. So you know what is working. You have learned from that, and you know how to implement that for your clients as well. So my approach is slightly different. And of course, you do have the marketing funnels for your company and things like that.
Jillian Vorce: Right, right.
Veronica Guguian: I always have. I do love the fact that you said, let's have fun and not take ourselves too seriously. And I always, we always have something like that in spin because. Yeah, it's just, let's be honest, life is quite hard, so let's.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah, life is happy enough. That's right. That's right. You know, one other silly thing I just realized, it's. Yeah. If you go back and see the video from the first or second episodes to now, you can see that my hair is growing out.
Veronica Guguian: It's like, well, mine was out long, short, long again.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah, you've had lots of different changes, but mine is like, it looks like a chia pet. It's like my hair is like, woo.
Veronica Guguian: So looking forward to seeing you with long hair.
Jillian Vorce: I know. It's like, oh, man, are we getting there? Is it gonna be like, I just need it, like, oh, come on. So anyway, we are recording during.
Veronica Guguian: A very rainy day, so my hair and I have my dog with me. So that means walking in the rain.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah, yeah, I understand. So, all right, so this was. Yeah, it's been really great. Veronica, thanks for. Yeah, thanks for walking beside me during these 40 episodes as an adventure.
Veronica Guguian: Thank you for having me and thank you for joining me in this adventure.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah. And best wishes with their marketing accelerator. And I'm looking.
Veronica Guguian: Yes, and I'm looking forward to seeing your community grow.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah, me too. Thank you for that. I appreciate it.
Veronica Guguian: So to all our listeners, we are not disappearing. As you see, we are quite busy. So keep on following us and you never know what will happen in a couple of months. Maybe we're gonna do once a month or once every now and then an episode. So don't unfollow us, right?
Jillian Vorce: Yeah. Yeah.
Veronica Guguian: Because we are not disappearing, but we are taking a break.
Jillian Vorce: We have lots of things going on. So, people certainly have a nice buffet of things to choose from.
Veronica Guguian: And one thing that I want to leave you with is don't be afraid to play because you never know what will come out of it. You know, like podcasts. You are learning new skills, you are meeting new people. You are just having fun and just being inspired. So thank you, Jillian, for inspiring me and having you with me.
Jillian Vorce: Thank you for collaborating. Right? We had our conversations, we collaborated. And I think we're creative.
Veronica Guguian: So I think I did think so.
Jillian Vorce: Yeah. Mission accomplished.
Veronica Guguian: So. All right, until next time, guys.
Jillian Vorce: For now. Cheers.